BILL WAS BANG ON WITH HIS BIGGEST AND BEST :SBC and the KENNEDY TREE

In his big new book “A Certain Truth’, Bill Denheld puts to paper his thoughts on a very wide range of topics that relate to the history of the Kelly gang. Bills approach seems to be to rake over the coals of dormant and even resolved controversies, to toss lots of interesting, not necessarily fully researched ideas out there, to suggest ways in which they may be related or have some sort of relevance to the Outbreak, and to provoke discussion. So far, the only place where such discussion has been taking place is on this Blog, where a few weeks ago I posted a discussion about Bills view of who Ned Kellys mother might have been, and in another, why I didn’t believe as Bill did, that Kelly was ‘dudded’ by Constable McIntyre. Then, in a series of Blog posts just concluded, Dr Stuart Dawson went over quite a few of Bills other ideas with a very thoughtful fine-tooth comb. Anyone who takes the time and the effort to carefully read what Dawson has written will learn a lot.


The reality though is that if Bill is going to be remembered for anything – and I hope he will be – it won’t be for his theories about class or the Republican movement or who Ned Kellys mother really was – no, it will be for very cleverly locating the exact spot along Stringybark Creek where the police search patrol had camped, and where Constable Lonigan and Scanlan were murdered by Ned Kelly.



The so-called Kelly Tree at Stringybark Creek had been labelled for decades as being at the place where the Police campsite was, but in fact this still extant “Kelly Tree” is the third tree in succession to have been accorded the title, as its predecessors died and disappeared. The second and third ‘Kelly’ trees were further and further away from where the original one once stood. The end result was that everyone forgot where the actual site really was.

 

Ian Jones, who, until a decade ago was widely regarded as Australia’s “foremost Kelly authority”, realised that the modern ‘Kelly Tree’ was no longer marking  the exact place where the campsite had been, and decided to try to  find it. After looking at photos taken of the actual site in 1878, and comparing them with the present-day topography at SBC he claimed to have identified the site : south of the ‘Kelly Tree’ and on the eastern bank of the creek.

 

However, sometime later it was realised that Jones was wrong, because he had missed a vital clue that firmly placed the camp on the western bank of the creek, and so Bill and some like-minded fellow enthusiasts set out to try to find it themselves. They also looked at the original photos, and at the original documentation and maps, and they also did the bush bashing up and down the creek, and on the western side of the creek almost directly opposite the Jones site Bill didn’t just find topography that matched the images, he found the ruins of two fireplaces from the huts that had been mentioned in the original descriptions. Associated with the fireplaces he found broken and melted glass, broken pottery, melted lead, wire, an axe head and parts of a gun.

 

In the book, Bill documents the difficult struggle he then had to get the Two Huts site recognized by the authorities. He had remarkable success in persuading Victorian authorities to list the entire area on the Heritage register, meaning that its all protected, but on the other hand, 20 years later he is still waiting for the archaeological investigation Bill asked for, and which heritage agreed to do. He also documents the way in which Ian Jones used his power and status to mock Bill publically and to undermine Bills efforts at almost every turn, including describing a newspaper article about Bills findings as ‘misleading’ in his Kelly biography ‘A Short Life’. On radio, Jones referred to Bills claims as ‘codswallop’. As far as I know Jones never conceded that the place he claimed was the site of the police camp was actually a place where nothing happened, but even though there are now other groups making alternative claims to Bills about where the police campsite is, all are in  complete agreement that Jones was wrong to say it was on the eastern side of the creek.



Bill describes the perplexing change of heart that resulted in his co-investigators rejecting the Two Huts site, turning their backs on Bill and making a case for a different location nearer the Kelly tree (Site #2). A  TV documentary featuring celebrity Archaeologist Adam Ford then nominated a third  site to the north of the Kelly tree (Site #3), and more recently, even further north yet another site has been nominated by a group known as the Kennedy Tree Group.(Site #4) None of these sites include topography that was always agreed could be seen in the original photographs, and two of them – site #2 and #3 – have got their photo orientation wrong by 180 degrees, and so can be dismissed on that basis alone. Those two groups misinterpreted the clues in the original photos that indicated what direction the camera was pointing, and they wrongly believed that there was a report from Sgt McIntyre that identified where the picture had been taken from: no such report exists. But if youre a TV celebrity, and the History channel makes a flashy documentary about the police campsite and killing ground, and about your claim to have finally solved the problem others had failed to do after all these years….who are the powers that be going to listen to? The celebrity Adam Ford and Channel Nine who swept in and out of SBC after a few days, or a lone ingenious Kelly wizard who spent hundreds of hours exploring the place and carefully assembling the evidence and the arguments to support his claim to know?  All of this is explained in detail in Bills book, and also on his fascinating website. Some of it is quite disturbing.



Bill also documents a more recent saga, the surprising claim by the afore mentioned Kennedy Tree group (#4) to have identified the actual tree seen in the 1878 photo where Ned Kelly murdered Sgt Michael Kennedy. The group making this claim saw a tree that reminded them of the one in the 1878 photo and then they went about constructing a tenuous convoluted and unconvincing argument that they had found the very tree and the actual place shown in the photo where Ned Kelly murdered Sgt Michael Kennedy. Once again Bill was attacked, this time for doing metal detecting around the tree, because if it had indeed been the place where Ned Kelly murdered Kennedy by firing a shotgun into his chest at point blank range, Bill knew that  shot might reasonably be expected to be found in the soil, but there was none. Even though there was no lead in the soil, and even though the Government experts they asked to evaluate their claim rejected it not once but twice, they continue to promote it. They colluded with the press to publish an article attacking Bill, the man who had the entire area listed and protected under the heritage legislation, saying he had no respect for history. Disgraceful.

 

Instead of picking a tree with what they believed were physical resemblances to the tree photographed almost 150 years ago – as if the idea that in 150 years a tree would change so little that it would still be visually identifiable isn’t a huge stretch in itself –  and then reverse engineering a theory, and retrofitting the evidence to explain why the two trees were the same tree, what the Kennedy tree group should have done is first of all assemble all the available clues and evidence from all the documentary sources in an objective way, and then see if a tree could be found that fitted the evidence. THAT is the correct and scientific approach to this sort of thing – and it’s what Bill did in conjunction with Sgt Michael Kennedys great grandson, Leo Kennedy. This also is documented in Bills book, and quite incredibly they found a tree big enough and old enough to fit the descriptions, and furthermore Bill found bullet lead in the surrounding soil. Bill however, has not asserted with anything like the inflexible dogmatism that the Kennedy Tree group do about their finding that this tree is the real ‘Kennedy’ tree but as he did in regard to his Police campsite identification, he has asked for professional investigation of it.

 

Bill details his long and disappointing struggle to arouse the interest of Heritage and other state bodies in his important claims about historical sites, and to have professional archaeologists investigate them. But to his unending frustration there always seemed to be other more influential interests and greater egos than Bills that worked behind the scenes to elbow him out of the way. When the celebrity  archaeologist appeared on the scene, Leo Kennedy abandoned his  support of Bills claims about a Kennedy tree and ended up making an appearance in the documentary supporting Fords tree. Bill records in the book a Blog post I wrote about this David and Goliath struggle that he was engaged in….but so far at least the giant seems to be winning.

 

In my opinion, nothing in Bills book is as important as his documentation of his clever amateur archaeological research and his claim to have identified a truly important, historically significant place.  Bill hasn’t given up, and neither have I given up hope that his findings will one day receive the attention and the recognition they deserve.

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5 Replies to “BILL WAS BANG ON WITH HIS BIGGEST AND BEST :SBC and the KENNEDY TREE”

  1. Hi David, that’s good extra background on Bill’s on-site investigations into the SBC campsite location debate and his evidence for the Two Huts site. I have never taken any side on the location and am not going to start now. I don’t have the expertise to get involved in it, and in any case I am interested in what happened, rather than where.

    What is clear from Bill’s book, his Two Huts webiste content, and his many posts about SBC on this blog and probably elsewhere over many years, is that he has presented a rigorously documented case that is clearly capable of analysis and testing. Yet his work and submissions have been ignored by the Heritage Victoria and DWELP/DECCA bureaucracy whose job it is to get the facts of heritage claims right.

    There is every reason for DECCA to reopen this issue given they have poured a lot of taxpayer funding into a walking trail and signage that Bill persuasively argues lead to places where nothing happened. If ever there was a case for DECCA to open a historical archaeological investigation this would seem to be it.

  2. Adrian Younger says: Reply

    Totally not worth commenting on. If you cannot tell the truth then I will not comment. A complete set of lies.

    1. “A complete set of lies” – Oh really?

      Was it a lie to say your claim was rejected twice by the authorities? Was it a lie to say you people colluded with the press to bad mouth Bill? Was it a lie to say Ford and the CSI team got their Burman photo orientation wrong ?

  3. Adrian Younger says: Reply

    They never rejected it twice, only once based on an incorrect assessment.
    The second time the finding was that there wasn’t enough evidence to proof the site. He .
    I don’t know who you people are but I never made a complaint against Bill even though he took it upon himself to dig up our chosen site when we never interfered with his site. What gave he the right to do that when we were informed by DELWP that detecting and digging was prohibited.
    I believe that yes Ford and CSI are wrong in there orientation of the Burman photo.
    What the lies are are your interpretation of our team researching after we found a tree.
    We did extensive research and that’s how we found a site. The tree at that site was a key piece to evidence that we had to prove to confirm the site. We need to confirm type and age to see if it fitted and it did.
    And why is it seem a joke that a tree would not change.
    Are you a tree expert. I have worked with trees all my life and I have never see two the same and the do remain the same. They just get bigger.

    1. BILL SENT ME THIS AND ASAKED ME TO POST IT HERE FOR HIM ; HE COULDNT GET IT TO UPLOAD

      Hello Adrian and your team.
      It is interesting you say people are telling lies !
      If anything, your KTR group can make all sorts of claims without any proper verification, and then if there are serious questions and rejections of any particular tree, its location, its age, and a report is made public by Heritage Victoria, then according to you they are all lies?
      Remember you told me personally that you had found a ’ Kennedy tree site’ but were not prepared to share it with me and Peter Newman at the time – but you would soon via an email before it went public. Then you went public without Peter and I knowing anything about your tree or its location, and on a phone call to you by me, you said you were afraid that “we would steal your thunder”.
      That was a very distrusting statement.
      If you had said ‘we would like your opinion on our tree site’ – we would have gone out of our way to embrace your research. As it was, you broadcast your unproven theory to the ‘press’ after you said you would send us your report when it was ready- which we never received. No effort was made to get any pre published copies to Peter, neither me nor others, but much later we were able to download a copy via your FaceBook page site.
      So here’s the thing, you, your Kennedy Tree Report group’s report had been out there on internet for weeks and no one from the ‘authorities’ had made any attempt to question your K. T. Groups team’s claims. It was someone on this blog that for public interest sake (not me) later submitted an inquiry to Heritage Victoria ( HV ) about your team’s K.Tree claims as H.V were in charge of any and all ground works within the SBC Heritage listed areas. This forced H.V and DELWP to appoint a tree ecologist, – an expert to examine your tree species and compare those trees within the 1878 Burman photo, and he said they did not match.
      It was sometime later that I contacted H.V’s head archaeologist Jeremy Smith, because he had always said to me, SBC locations would be of great interest and his office staff told me there was insufficient evidence re the KTG report for them to make any move to endorse your site. By this time I had identified your tree site being on the west side of SBC road, and this was outside the H.Vic Registered area ‘Number-H2205 ‘ (As applied for registration by me in 2005).
      So again here’s the thing: You were busy flogging your tree site on the social media and getting some traction without anyone ever questioning the validity of your KENNEDY TREE site claims – as supposedly where Sergeant Kennedy had been put out of his misery by Ned Kelly in Oct 1878.
      This meant anyone with a pick and shovel – a metal detector and a prospectors license, could legally metal detect anywhere outside the H.V listed area – and your claimed tree was well outside that heritage listed area.
      My family had planned a trip to N East Vic and on the way we went via SBC to see your K.Tree site and what had been done there. We saw the forest debris around the tree had been interfered with.
      Being at your site we decided to rake the leafy overburden and detect see if any bullet lead or shotgun pellets could be metal detected directly within that ground where you had previously placed cardboard cut outs of figures as in the Burman photos.
      While my video linked below shows me racking deep leaf litter off the ground and me detecting the bare ground beneath, at no time did I actually dig into the ground where any bullet lead could / should have been detected – as seen in my video here- https://youtu.be/m9h74eChcio
      The video shows me detecting your KTG tree site which was outside the H.V. H2205 heritage listed area. Apparently this video shocked you and your group, and your group made an official complaint to H.Victoria and the press claiming vandalism of sacred ground? This was followed with Leo Kennedy’s ‘No respect for History’ published in the Herald Sun.
      This defamatory report caused H.V (to be seen) to take action and a H.V office official phoned to question my detecting as seen on the YouTube video. I explained to the lady that nothing I had done was illegal and that with Leo Kennedy I had previously detected our chosen site where a small bullet pellet was detected by me within which was within the HV protected area. This pellet was shown archaeologist that were interested to undertake the archeao project at SBC, which Jeremy Smith had said they would endorse.
      Days later I was sent an official letter stating a fine for $793,056 could be applied for what I had done at SBC – the KTG site, but later they realised no legal breach had taken place – and they later withdrew any charges upon me.
      In my newly published book ‘Ned Kelly- Australian iron-icon, A Certain Truth’ Chapter 8b ‘No Respect for History’, I set out the whole saga of your team’s scramble to denigrate anyone who did not accept your KTR groups claims.
      Here is the webpage link to my reply- https://www.ironicon.com.au/de-fencing-the-ktg-report.htm
      In my ‘Ned Kelly book’ I suitably provide information to the interested readers why ‘locations and historical truth’ are paramount and override written versions of history according to the winners.
      Your KTR group team’s failure to conduct proper analysis of your site tests before going public was the Kennedy Tree Report groups undoing – and has nothing to do with lies. If anything, the KTR g are the ones telling lies.
      Bill Denheld
      Please read my book, all facts and A Certain Truth-
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